Monday, November 28, 2011

Prop 8 supporter fears the courts

With California's Proposition 8 looking very likely to be decided by the Supreme Court, supporters of it are not liking their prospects. Right now, the case is headed towards Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeal:

Randy Thomasson, president of SaveCalifornia.com, suggests the Ninth Circuit judges will not side with supporters of traditional marriage.

"It doesn't look very good there," he warns. "Stephen Reinhardt, he's heading up this three-judge panel, he's the ultimate judicial activist." And Thomasson is not sure about how Justices Michael Daly Hawkins and Norman Randy Smith will vote on the merits of the case.

. . . Thomasson argues that this is an issue that should have never been taken to a federal court "because marriage is a state jurisdiction."

Ultimately, he says the court must decide whether the definition of marriage is something that should be decided at the state level.
We all know why Thomasson fears the courts. Probably because if the judges did look at the merits of case, Prop 8 supporters would continue to lose. At the very best, their case was weak. Many of those pushing for the law demurred when it came to testifying as to why the law was needed. They only could get two witness. One, David Blankenhorn, under cross examination made the case against Prop 8. Also, during closing arguments, proponents of Prop 8 said that they didn't need any evidence to prove their case.

Thomasson's whine speaks to what scares those against marriage equality the most. They like to sound the horn and cry "let the people vote" because they have the means and the money to manipulate that vote. They have enough pull to spread false stories about gays and children across any state, as well as cite junk science to prove their points.

In a court of law, however, things are different. In the words of David Boies, one of the lawyers who defeated Prop 8 in courts:

"In a court of law you've got to come in and you've got to support those opinions, you've got to stand up under oath and cross-examination," Boies said. "And what we saw at trial is that it's very easy for the people who want to deprive gay and lesbian citizens of the right to vote [sic] to make all sorts of statements and campaign literature, or in debates where they can't be cross-examined.

"But when they come into court and they have to support those opinions and they have to defend those opinions under oath and cross-examination, those opinions just melt away. And that's what happened here. There simply wasn't any evidence, there weren't any of those studies. There weren't any empirical studies. That's just made up. That's junk science. It's easy to say that on television. But a witness stand is a lonely place to lie. And when you come into court you can't do that.

Thomasson fears the simple fact that in the courts, where is there is no room for distortions or lies, the folks defending Prop 8 will continue to come up short.

And they deserve to.



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3 comments:

Jay said...

There is great irony that these bozos who put in DOMA and campaigned for a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage now think that marriage is a state issue. I hope that they are right that the Ninth Circuit, which has delayed unmercifully, will finally rule in our favor.

As for David Blankenhorn, he is a snake. See "Confessions of a Blog Addict" at glbtq.com, especially the section entitled, "The Sad Case of David Blankenhorn." Here is a link: Confessions of a Blog Addict

Mykelb said...

I have always stated that the LGBT community is completely outgunned when it comes to using tax exempt money to sway public opinion and that the only fair shake we will get is in the courts of law. That is the reason why I don't support any lobbying organizations, there is absolutely no point to it. Last year alone over 100 million dollars was collected by hate groups to lobby against the LGBT community, ten times what the 10 biggest LGBT lobbying groups had to spend on positive messaging. It's a losing cause to think that the LGBT community can do anything legislatively with that kind of money behind the hate. We need this SCOTUS ruling to go in our favor to cover the entire country and thus, be rid of the religious bigots who want to keep us second class citizens in our own country that taxes us the same as every other citizen.

Anonymous said...

Let's assume for the moment 9th Circuit will affirm Justice Vaughn Walker's opinion, and that pro Prop 8 camp will attempt yet another appeal: SCOTUS could decline even to hear the 'writ of certiorari' letting the lower court's opinion stand, couldn't it? Affirmation through "It's so obvious they did it right we don't need to discuss it" silence? Wouldn't that be five kinds of awesome?